C-Pillar Liner Installation
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Thanks everyone for your posts—they were most helpful. Looks like I'll be taking the rear window out as advised. While I was fiddling with the C-pillar liners and after spending an hour looking at my rear window, I noticed how scratched it is, so I'll be replacing the window as well.
The rear window was installed at a local auto glass shop with a modern seal. I’ve removed a standard Mini windscreen seal myself, but I’m a little iffy about popping out this seal, so I think I’ll let the glass shop do it. The new C-pillar liners fit nicely around the side windows, but they’ll going to need trimming around the rear window.
The rear window was installed at a local auto glass shop with a modern seal. I’ve removed a standard Mini windscreen seal myself, but I’m a little iffy about popping out this seal, so I think I’ll let the glass shop do it. The new C-pillar liners fit nicely around the side windows, but they’ll going to need trimming around the rear window.
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Originally Posted by jedduh01
I just replaced a Headliner in a Mk4.
Kit came with these panels and needed to be installed to match... Because the Front glass and Rear glass were out THe Pillar covers were very acessable to fit...
The Side window gasket seal and the Rear glass seal both needed to be out to get the C panel cover in place. (under the parcel board to
it also takes , requires a tight bend to fit edge to edge...One side in my case wasn't as FLUSH and it sat out in the glass seal edge by about 1/8th of an inch,. that held out the glass rubber..not enough space to get the glass back in.
I Pushed and prodded Tried and pushed. with that edge out the glass wouldnt fit... I ended up with a sharp blade Trimmed that excess 1/8th out of the way .. And the seal went right on No Problem.
In the end= Removing the glass let the whole job be done from Outside the car and form the rear. No Climbing over the seats inside and working with tucking rubber.
Kit came with these panels and needed to be installed to match... Because the Front glass and Rear glass were out THe Pillar covers were very acessable to fit...
The Side window gasket seal and the Rear glass seal both needed to be out to get the C panel cover in place. (under the parcel board to
it also takes , requires a tight bend to fit edge to edge...One side in my case wasn't as FLUSH and it sat out in the glass seal edge by about 1/8th of an inch,. that held out the glass rubber..not enough space to get the glass back in.
I Pushed and prodded Tried and pushed. with that edge out the glass wouldnt fit... I ended up with a sharp blade Trimmed that excess 1/8th out of the way .. And the seal went right on No Problem.
In the end= Removing the glass let the whole job be done from Outside the car and form the rear. No Climbing over the seats inside and working with tucking rubber.
Looking at Rosebuds original pictures that he posted it looked like a mk I headliner with opening side windows and he did not really want to remove the rear screen if he did not have to hence my possible solution to leave the screen in place and access it through the already loose opening side windows.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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I just replaced a Headliner in a Mk4.
Kit came with these panels and needed to be installed to match... Because the Front glass and Rear glass were out THe Pillar covers were very acessable to fit...
The Side window gasket seal and the Rear glass seal both needed to be out to get the C panel cover in place. (under the parcel board to
it also takes , requires a tight bend to fit edge to edge...One side in my case wasn't as FLUSH and it sat out in the glass seal edge by about 1/8th of an inch,. that held out the glass rubber..not enough space to get the glass back in.
I Pushed and prodded Tried and pushed. with that edge out the glass wouldnt fit... I ended up with a sharp blade Trimmed that excess 1/8th out of the way .. And the seal went right on No Problem.
In the end= Removing the glass let the whole job be done from Outside the car and form the rear. No Climbing over the seats inside and working with tucking rubber.
Kit came with these panels and needed to be installed to match... Because the Front glass and Rear glass were out THe Pillar covers were very acessable to fit...
The Side window gasket seal and the Rear glass seal both needed to be out to get the C panel cover in place. (under the parcel board to
it also takes , requires a tight bend to fit edge to edge...One side in my case wasn't as FLUSH and it sat out in the glass seal edge by about 1/8th of an inch,. that held out the glass rubber..not enough space to get the glass back in.
I Pushed and prodded Tried and pushed. with that edge out the glass wouldnt fit... I ended up with a sharp blade Trimmed that excess 1/8th out of the way .. And the seal went right on No Problem.
In the end= Removing the glass let the whole job be done from Outside the car and form the rear. No Climbing over the seats inside and working with tucking rubber.
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Yes it is a pita but imo opinion worth a try as it should only take 30 minutes or so to try, of course if your seal is old i would think you at least need to remove the filler strip to give it some flexibility.
Installing a Mini front or rear screen with the usual rope method is a non no, the right way as stupid as it sounds is to fit the seal first onto the body then install the glass into the seal.
I have used the rope trick under the seal when painting a Mini with the windows in place, the rope lifts the seal up enough for the paint to get under it and when removed there is no tape line or over spray visible.
Installing a Mini front or rear screen with the usual rope method is a non no, the right way as stupid as it sounds is to fit the seal first onto the body then install the glass into the seal.
I have used the rope trick under the seal when painting a Mini with the windows in place, the rope lifts the seal up enough for the paint to get under it and when removed there is no tape line or over spray visible.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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Thanks for the explanation.
When I put my car back together (about 20 years ago now) I remember that I did not fit the C-pillar covers before fitting the glass. Out the glass came again. I installed the C-pillar covers and put the glass in again using the rope method. I damaged the vinyl so out came the rear glass again. After gluing the tears in the vinyl (and doing a bit of research) I fit the C-pillar covers, then the rubber seal, and finally the glass.
You are right, the Mk1 rear glass is hard to find and your argument makes sense. However, after my experience 20 years ago I am not confident in my ability to fit the C-pillar covers with the glass already in the aperture.
When I put my car back together (about 20 years ago now) I remember that I did not fit the C-pillar covers before fitting the glass. Out the glass came again. I installed the C-pillar covers and put the glass in again using the rope method. I damaged the vinyl so out came the rear glass again. After gluing the tears in the vinyl (and doing a bit of research) I fit the C-pillar covers, then the rubber seal, and finally the glass.
You are right, the Mk1 rear glass is hard to find and your argument makes sense. However, after my experience 20 years ago I am not confident in my ability to fit the C-pillar covers with the glass already in the aperture.
Doug L.
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Malcolm, I'm not a member of Restoration Mini. Have you got a link to the thread you mentioned? I'd like to see/read what you did.
Some may say it is easier to remove the screen but if it is a MK I they are rare and somewhat expensive if you break it.
I have done a later 90's Mini with fixed side windows not using the rope method and it was fiddly but definitely doable, I think a lot would depend on the age of the seal.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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Malcolm, I'm not a member of Restoration Mini. Have you got a link to the thread you mentioned? I'd like to see/read what you did.
Doug L.
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There were clips on mine like the clips that hold the seam covers. I was doing a resto so the rear screen was out but I had a hell of a time getting the panel aligned. And it was not an easy task getting the glass back into the seal. I guess if you do it more than once it might be easier the 2nd and 3rd try. Others should chime in. Wondering if those clips were factory or someone added them before I got the car.
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Originally Posted by Rosebud
Has anyone fitted a C-pillar liner? It looks to me like I'll have to remove the rear window seal where the liner overlaps the seal. If so, can I just peel back the interior portion of the seal, or do I have to remove both the interior AND exterior portion of the seal in and around where the overlap occurs? Any other tips or tricks?
I have taken the C pillar liner out before on a late model Mini and re installed it without removing the rear screen.
Thinking if the seal is hard it will be more pliable if you remove the filler strip on the outside which should help.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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to do it correctly you need to remove the rear window along with it's seal, sorry
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Has anyone fitted a C-pillar liner? It looks to me like I'll have to remove the rear window seal where the liner overlaps the seal. If so, can I just peel back the interior portion of the seal, or do I have to remove both the interior AND exterior portion of the seal in and around where the overlap occurs? Any other tips or tricks?