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    Click under braking
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    Click under braking

        Created by: andrew66t
    Orig. Posting Date User Name Edit Date Msg No.
    Aug-23-2008 01:04PM andrew66t   859602
    Aug-20-2008 07:32AM Dan Moffet   858963
    Aug-19-2008 06:29PM andrew66t   858905
    Aug-19-2008 09:00AM isots   858819
    Aug-19-2008 08:29AM h_lankford   858809
    Aug-18-2008 05:26PM andrew66t   858712
    Aug-14-2008 01:36PM BRG Mini   857999
    Aug-14-2008 09:57AM dooderopolis   857953
    Aug-14-2008 09:17AM andrew66t   857942
    Aug-14-2008 01:36AM hotelcalif   857847
    Aug-13-2008 07:24PM andrew66t   857808
    Aug-13-2008 04:38PM wcelliot   857771
    Aug-13-2008 04:01PM andrew66t   857768

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     Posted: Aug-23-2008 01:04PM
    andrew66t
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    OK I figured it out.  It was the newish tie bar bushes.  One of the inner ones had collapsed allowing the tie bar to contact the subframe mount.  Only happened under tension and a visual inspection didn't reveal the issue.  On the brighter side I did finally complete a full front end rebuild that I'd been postponing for 3 years.  Thanks to everyone who kicked in ideas.I'd still like to put a standard engine steady in so if anyone has any of the parts used laying around shoot me an E-mail.

     

     Posted: Aug-20-2008 07:32AM
    Dan Moffet
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    I had a similar click... resulting from loose upper steady bolt at firewall cross member.  It allowed the engine to apply torque to the subframe  resulting in the tail of the  subframe, where it meets the floor to try to "oil-can" it. There is now a 1" long stress crack in the floor, which was causing the "click" - a dry metallic sound kind of like a crumpled pop can only duller, heavier, or a broken body-weld kind of click.

    Tightening the steady bolt stopped the sound immediately.

     

    "Hang on a minute lads....I've got a great idea."

     Posted: Aug-19-2008 06:29PM
    andrew66t
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    The click is generally only heard once or twice under braking, it's not rhythmic.

     Posted: Aug-19-2008 09:00AM
    isots
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    The rotors would seem to be a simple thing to test. Does the clicking frequency slow as the car slows? Easy enough test, would seem.

     Posted: Aug-19-2008 08:29AM
    h_lankford
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    one more idea

    I once had a car that clicked on braking. 

    There was a hard spot in the rotor. With time, the rotor metal had worn down around it to uncover this harder, previouslt hiddden manufacturing flaw. It was just barely visible and palpable - about the size of a dime.Although small, it created enough motion in the brake pads that they had a dull click, almost clunk, clunk while braking. Replacementn solved it. 

     Carefully, carefully feel and inspect both sides of your rotors. 

     Posted: Aug-18-2008 05:26PM
    andrew66t
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    OK, I've ordered some upper arm kits.  I didn't see or feel any play but they've not been touched by me and I've had the car 5 years or so, figure it can't hurt. 

    Some additonal testing is showing quite a bit of movement of the shifter during braking and I'm now hearing the click during takeoff (it's possible it was there all along and the engine noise drowned it out.  All that leads me back to the steady's.  I have only the upper left ultimate engine steady and the lower right forward facing gearbox steady (pretty worthless I hear). 

    I've ordered a lower gearbox rearward facing steady (right side) and some new engine mounts.

    I'm missing the upper right side dogbone and brackets, anybody have the dogbone, brackets, or all?  1275 A+ if it matters.

    Thanks for the ideas so far.

     Posted: Aug-14-2008 01:36PM
    BRG Mini
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by andrew66t

    About the only thing I can think of is the upper arms need to be rebuilt.  Any other ideas?  Could the upper arms being worn cause a click under braking?  How would I check them?  Compress the cone and wiggle them about?

    Not sure if this is your problem, but I had a similar problem that I couldn't find for a while until I went in for an alignment.  The mechanic showed me that he couldn't complete the alignment until I got the upper arm bearings fixed, then showed me by grabbing the upper arm at the hub end and moved it forward and back.  There was lots of movement.  Once I got the bearings changed out, the clicking went away.

    willy

     Posted: Aug-14-2008 09:57AM
    dooderopolis
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    When mine starts the clicking I always check the bolts on the upper steady. Tightening usually make the sound go away.

    Dean

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     Posted: Aug-14-2008 09:17AM
    andrew66t
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    Would the CV joints click only under heavy braking?  Checked the bushings and went ahead and replaced them even though they looked OK.  No change.  I did notice some movement of the shifter under braking, but it could have been like that for quite some time.  Still, bad engine mounts?

     Posted: Aug-14-2008 01:36AM
    hotelcalif
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     Think it could be CV joints?

    Spelling errors may be beer related

     Posted: Aug-13-2008 07:24PM
    andrew66t
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    Thanks for the response Bill.  My car, when I got it, didn't have the standard right side steady. The bracket was and still is torn off and the previous owner fitted an ultimate engine steady (the one that connects to the thermostat bolts and one of the manifold studs).  It seems to have been fine until recently so I'll check the bushings in it.

    With the clutch in and the car under braking does the transmission have so much drag that the engine tilts?  Seems like the engine/transmission would be along for the ride and all we'd be dealing with would be the drag from the diff, laygear, and third motion shaft.  Is it just the weight of our top heavy engine/transmission transferring forward?

    I'm off to check on those bushings.  Anything else to check?

     

     Posted: Aug-13-2008 04:38PM
    wcelliot
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    I had (and still have due to laziness) the same problem. After an exhaustive search of the possible suspects, I discovered that the upper steady had a perished bushing and it "clicked" when the engine moved forward under heavy braking....

    Hopefully you will find something as simple...

    Bill 

     Posted: Aug-13-2008 04:01PM
    andrew66t
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    I've got a click under heavyish braking that seems to be coming from the front of the car.  If I brake gently I don't hear it.  76+ with solid mounts and I replaced lower arms with adjustable and bushings with poly.  It's been about 6 months since I did that and the clicking is new within the past few weeks.  Here's what I've done so far.

    Checked wheel bearings (replaced one side)
    Adjusted ball joints
    Checked tie rod bushings (look new)
    Tightened hub to disk and caliper to hub bolts
    Replaced rack and tie rod ends (so worth paying someone else to deal with!)
    Checked heal board for cracks (none)

    About the only thing I can think of is the upper arms need to be rebuilt.  Any other ideas?  Could the upper arms being worn cause a click under braking?  How would I check them?  Compress the cone and wiggle them about?

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